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Giovanni70
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Francesco
Starting Member
Italy
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 Posted - 09 November 2005 : 17:12:26
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Dear Nowayjose,
sorry but I don't agree with you....
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Originally posted by Nowayjose
Reading these posts from Venetians make me sad. I live in New York City and I know about tourists, but I don't hate them. On the contrary, I always try to be helpful and make them very welcomed. As in Venice, people move away and sub-lease the apartments to tourists, just to make a buck. Same happens in Venice. Not everybody moved out because of the tourists. They did it for the money. Sold their old houses to investors and bought cheaper somewhere else.
Venice isn't a normal city. When you sell your house and you move to Mestre or other place you stop to live like a Venetian, you don't come in the centre of Venice to have a drink, you don't come in the centre to go to the cinema or in a shop and so on.... this happen because take a lot of time arrive in the centre of Venice.... you can't arrive by car ...so you need at least 30-45 minutes from the nearest city Mestre. So maybe you will come once o twice a month but that's all. In New York you have just to take car, bus or a subway and in a few minutes you are in the centre. The people are normally lazy and in Venice you have to walk so this make the difference.
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Originally posted by Nowayjose I know that gondoliers are the majority of new owners... or not?
No, the gondoliers aren't the majority owner of house.... they earn well but the house are very expensive (5.000-7.000 euro m/q) so more of them move away to Venice and they come to the city just for work
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Originally posted by Nowayjose
I visit Venice every year, once or twice and I am willing to pay an Entry Fee if that will help to keep Venice alive.
I GREE WITH YOU... I think that a tax can help Venice to survive
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Originally posted by Nowayjose How about allowing the Chinese to take over the shops, restaurants, etc.? Last time I was there I saw them making pizza and gelato... where are the Venetians? Can't make pizza anymore either? We are not the culprits here... Venice is like a courtesan these days. The authorities are selling her to the best bidder... that's all and I, as a tourist, have nothing to do with that.
I agree with the post of Giovanni70..... the Chinese are buying Venice (like other city in Europe) using a lot of money (money laundry ?). But what can we do? it's not easy. I hope that local authority can do something.
best regards
Francesco
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Anonymous0080
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Posted - 10 November 2005 : 11:18:57
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… I can say that there are too many tourist in Venice!! just try to take a public boat n.82 (ACTV) during the day, you just find foreign people. And during the hot period like summer o carnival or weekend is difficult to take the boat because there are too many people and you travel like a sardine in a tin box!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d like to have a public line just for Venetians
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Rostov
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Italy
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 11:01:29
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It’s hard to be a Venetian, the business tourism is trying to kill the city…..
..please someone stop this !
Venice = Museum
Venetians = extinguished
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Alvise
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 17:38:53
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Sad .... but true
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Krys
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Posted - 30 November 2005 : 22:54:01
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Ciao tosi,
I'm very sad to read all these posts, to see how hostile you are towards foreigners.
Here in Vienna where I live, there are plenty of foreigners and tourists, when I use public transport I often hear only foreign languages. I find this is normal, as we live in a time where people throughout the world mix, and I'm also proud that I live in a city which many people want to visit and see.
I know that your problems are real! I know that the big number of tourists is part of the problem. And I understand very well that you are fed up with those tourist crowds in your city centre, because even the tourists themselves are. 
But please, may I recommend you, don't blame everything on the tourists. It's just too easy and cowardly.
Venice is YOUR city. You have problems for which you could find solutions. There are no tourists sitting in your city government. The house owners who sell or rent appartments too expensive are no tourists either.
Problems with housing speculation, young people unable to find work, and so on exist in other cities, too! But we, in the other cities, wouldn't have the weird idea to simply blame everything on tourists. What does the Venetian city government do for you?
Finally, I beg you not to be so prejudiced against visitors to put them all in the same box.
The tourists are paying for your public transport, for your museums, and so on.... in Venice, water buses and entrance fees are much cheaper for Venetians than for visitors. This would be unthinkable in most other cities!
This October, I stayed in Venice for 2 weeks. I am not interested AT ALL in a "museum-Venice". I would fall into despair if there would be a Venice without Venetians.
I went to Venice, because I hoped to meet Venetians, and to learn something about their culture, their lives, the wonderful, wonderful lagoon they live in, their language, and more....
I wondered how it would feel like to be born in Venice or on some island in the lagoon... I guess I would be proud 
I went there as a humble guest, hoping not to disturb anybody.
Venice has a splendid history of being a vibrant city full of people of many nations and origins! Once, long ago, there was a time where people from other countries, e.g. merchants, learnt Venetian as a foreign language.
And today, I wonder, would you still show your culture, your achievements, your lagoon (which is a treasure of Nature), your way of life proudly to the world?
Or do you prefer to close your minds, use the tourists as a comfortable means to blame everything on (so that you don't need to think hard how you could solve your problems)?
I hope I don't sound unfriendly, I mean it really friendly 
At the end, I think an "entrance fee" for one-day tourist groups would serve well. I know this has been tried before and didn't survive long, but again - the fact that the Venetians didn't make it work is not the tourists' fault. 
Wish you all the best, hope we can be friends
Krys
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nowayjose
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Posted - 30 December 2005 : 07:58:53
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Originally posted by Francesco
Dear Nowayjose,
sorry but I don't agree with you....
Venice isn't a normal city. When you sell your house and you move to Mestre or other place you stop to live like a Venetian, you don't come in the centre of Venice to have a drink, you don't come in the centre to go to the cinema or in a shop and so on.... this happen because take a lot of time arrive in the centre of Venice.... you can't arrive by car ...so you need at least 30-45 minutes from the nearest city Mestre. So maybe you will come once o twice a month but that's all. In New York you have just to take car, bus or a subway and in a few minutes you are in the centre. The people are normally lazy and in Venice you have to walk so this make the difference.
Francesco, it is the same in New York City. I live in Manhattan but if I move to Queens, Brooklyn or any other borough, the situation changes exactly like yours if you move to Mestre. Same thing. New York City is as unique as Venice is, period.
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No, the gondoliers aren't the majority owner of house.... they earn well but the house are very expensive (5.000-7.000 euro m/q) so more of them move away to Venice and they come to the city just for work
Well, I only repeated the information a 100% Venetian friend gave me. Maybe the gondoliers are not the majority of owners, but many of them have bought houses in the last few years.
Many New Yorkers are also forced to move somewhere else because the housing is terribly expensive here. I am lucky that I am still where I am now, but if the 'rent control' or 'rent stabilized' laws are eliminated (every year the owners try to force the City to do that), I will have to leave the city. I know that if I leave my apartment, the new tenant will pay a rent 3 times higher, because it works that way. Should I blame the tourists? Of course not! They have nothing to do with that. The rich investors are the culprits (like the Chinese in Venice) and the authorities who run the city.
We could go on and on with this story. Blaming the tourists won't solve the Venetian problems, trust me. How your beautiful city will survive without us? If we don't visit Venice anymore and you can move back to your beloved city... where are you going to work? No tourists, no business, no jobs...
I was in Venice last month for the Festa della Salute and to see "La Juive" at La Fenice and eat a lot of seafood and buy more sunglasses (which, by the way, I just realized they cost much more than in NYC) and shoes and books, etc. (like if they don't exist here). I just want to contribute to the economy of my favorite city in the world.
Happy New Year!
Peace on Earth!
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Giovanni70
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Italy
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Posted - 08 January 2006 : 23:25:42
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Venice in the past lived without tourism, the economy of the city changed because the money from tourism is easy money. It’s easer to open a hotel or restaurant that to work with industry.
In the past Venice had a lot of artisans, today they are gone. There are just some shop that made a mask but to find a real artisan you have to go outside of Venice (treviso, mestre etc.).
In 1800 “La Fenice” was made by local artisan but the last time that was rebuild (2003) the artisan came all from other city.
I agree with the people that say that Venice is death !
Dear Nowayjose I think that New York is a little bit different from Venice. Venice is a old town that have a unique life stile, there is not car and is not easy to move like NY. In NY you can go by car very quickly to Queens, Brooklyn or any other borough. In Venice when you move to Mestre or other place it take time so if you sell your house in Venice and go to Mestre you never come back to Venice. Sorry but I completely agree with Francesco. I know what is the Venetian life and I’m one of the actor of this city.
Welcome to Venice – Disneyworld
Maybe there isn’t nothing to do, we have to accept that Venice will be just a ghost city, in the future there will be just foreign people living here. Only rich Chinese, Americans and Russian people will live in town and ex-Venetians will arrive in the morning from other city to work and to guarantee the basic tourism services.
We will lost out Venetian life and the tourist will just find a old empty building, but the tourist wont know what really want to say live in Venice.
Venetians, local government and tourists are all guilt for that, in these %
- Venetians (20%)
- Local government (40%)
- Tourism (40%)
Happy New Year!
Giovanni 70
One of the last Venetians
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Anonymous5500
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Posted - 15 January 2006 : 16:22:29
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Hi everybody
I'm doing a school project on tourism in Venice, and I came across this messageboard while looking for information. Would you mind if I used some of your opinions?
Ciao a tutti. Sto facendo un progetto di scuola sul turismo a venezia, e ho trovato questo 'messageboard' quando ero cercando dell'informazione. *would you mind if I used some of your opinions?* - mi dispiace, I don't know how to say that.
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Krys
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Posted - 15 January 2006 : 16:55:54
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Hi Rebecca,
of course you can use my posts if you like :)
Good luck for your project,
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Admin
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Posted - 15 January 2006 : 20:57:46
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Hi Rebecca,
I’m the administrator of VeniceOnLine and also of the message board. Fell free to use everything that you find here. The Forum is a free place, there isn’t copyright here. 
If you want you can publicize the site so we’ll have more people to exchange opinion.
Good luck
Admin
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Wiky
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Posted - 21 February 2006 : 12:03:33
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I love Venice but the rude reality is that Venice is only a tourist mecca. The tourists that walk in Venice want just imagine the old Venice. The Venetians want back the old free Venice, but we are in 2006 and a small old island without car can’t compete with a normal city growth.
Today Venice is just a museum, and this is the only rude reality
Venetians, if you don’t like to live in a museum go away and left the key to the concierge.
Sorry but this is my heavy, dusky opinion
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Anonymous8151
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Posted - 14 June 2009 : 02:51:30
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Hi. My name is Carol. I live in Michigan, USA.  Since I first learned of Venice several years ago, Iv'e always wanted to live there. There is not a drop of Italian in me, I'm mostly everything else you can think of but. Iv'e read many books and did much research on Venice. I did not know Venetians felt so strongly about Tourists. Is it the same if I want to move there? Would I become a citizen/Venetian or just another tourist-foreigner? Also, I can not find the sign-up page for the forums.
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Anonymous2640
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Posted - 18 January 2010 : 19:28:54
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Originally posted by Anonymous8151
Hi. My name is Carol. I live in Michigan, USA. Since I first learned of Venice several years ago, Iv'e always wanted to live there. There is not a drop of Italian in me, I'm mostly everything else you can think of but. Iv'e read many books and did much research on Venice. I did not know Venetians felt so strongly about Tourists. Is it the same if I want to move there? Would I become a citizen/Venetian or just another tourist-foreigner? Also, I can not find the sign-up page for the forums.
Hi Carol,
I think that if you move to Venice you'll become a tourist-foreigner.  Venician are very closed people and they are tired about the tourist invasion.
I think that you don't have a real perception of the venitian life that is very far away from the the book that you read.
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Too many tourist in Venice !!! 
